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posted by Senator David Norris @ 11/09/2004 11:31:00 AM
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Come on Senator, get some posts on there!
You'd be the first member of the Oireachteas to enter the world of weblogging!
It'd be great to get a first hand insight into what goes on in there...there's a strong impression that it's all bit arcane, especially the Seanad!
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Mr. Norris: All Members of the House will take the matter I wish to raise seriously. I have asked the Leader on numerous occasions in recent months to provide information about a Gulfstream jet that has been landing at Shannon Airport and last week she kindly furnished me with the information she had succeeded in getting. I read it carefully; it consists of a report from The Sunday Business Post and answers to parliamentary questions in the other House. These are all matters of public record, but they raise serious questions and do not answer the questions I have been asking. It is clear that the Minister was aware of reports that the aeroplane, N379P, had been involved in extraordinary rendition, namely, kidnapping citizens of other countries and taking them to third locations for torture. He also confirmed he was aware of these reports, and now of course we know that this is the subject of international legal action by one of the victims involved and of a protest by the Swedish Government. He confirmed that the aeroplane had landed 13 times up until the end of 2003. The American authorities have never notified the Minister for Transport or the Department of Transport of these landings. The aircraft got a new registration this year, N8068V, and has used Shannon three times already in 2004.
I would like the Leader to ascertain the reason for this change. It obviously succeeded in one respect — it misled the Minister. He stated on 19 October that the aeroplane had not used Shannon at all in 2004——
An Cathaoirleach: We cannot debate——
Mr. Norris: ——but by 24 November he had to acknowledge three landings under the new call sign.
An Cathaoirleach: The Senator cannot debate——
Mr. Norris: I am not debating. I am asking a question and I want the Leader to get answers to this issue. The Government has repeatedly made a weak case to the effect that it had no information concerning the aircraft being used for these illicit purposes. Eventually it said that the embassy had been told by the United States authorities that it was not used and would not be used in future. Will the Leader ask, in addition to the question I have already put, that we be told what personnel, at what level, gave the embassy these assurances? As a secret covert operation, it is covered by the plausible deniability doctrine, which is part of United States policy. Unless these questions are answered, we could be in a situation whereby a civilian kidnapped somewhere such as JFK, where one of these kidnaps occurred, could, strapped into an aircraft, land on Irish soil on the way to be tortured at some other destination. No Member of this House can regard this with other than the utmost seriousness. It will only be stopped if these questions are asked, or if the Garda Síochána uses its power to board that aircraft every single time it lands at Shannon Airport.
So did the Torture jet N44982 / N8068V / N379P / N581GA land in Ireland to kidnap some more people? Or did it drop off people so that they could be brought to a rendering plant there in Ireland?? Maybe the CIA agents aboard just needed to stop over for lunch ;) yea right.
Senator Norris,
I would want to know if terrorist suspects are bring brought to Ireland for the sole purpose of being taught to sing very well (extraordinary rendering). I hope Ireland does not do US's torture dirty work.
I would want to know if terrorist suspects are being extradicted to the US or some other country without the proper paperwork. The US should not be given carte blanche to kidnap people from Ireland.
If Ireland knowingly allows Shannon to be used as a refueling for these jet flights, wouldn't that make Ireland an accomplice in the torture or any subsequent death of suspects?
I find this whole thing repulsive.
Anonymous
Congratulations and best wishes for your work in relation to the the Civil Partnership Bill.
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Congratulations on the Civil Partnership - you are a hero.
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